Showing posts with label Low Carb Plans. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Low Carb Plans. Show all posts

Saturday, April 27, 2013

Eating more fat ... Why where ever did anyone get that from?

I received a link to this interesting post by Zoe Harcombe in the Inbox the other day:  What's this 'trying to eat more fat'?!  Zoe writes:
Hi all - I've spotted a couple of comments from people saying that they're trying to eat more fat and the second one got me worried enough to start a thread. ...
The Harcombe Diet is a diet based on a 5 day Phase 1 which is mostly meats and veggies (unless you are, as Zoe was for 15 years, a vegetarian, then you can substitute some brown rice, which makes no sense from a protein standpoint, but whatever).  Once you've cured your candida overgrowth which is one of the  prime reasons for obesity according to Harcombe, you move to other phases of the diet.  Harcombe believes in the separation of fats and carbs at meals on a metabolic "food combining" basis.  You don't want to eat carbs with fat because ... well ... the insulin!  Despite negativity about low fat diets, Harcombe counsels food separation and that you should basically eat low carb or low fat at any individual meal.  But she admits:
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Monday, April 22, 2013

Paleo on Oz ... Notes & Comments

UPDATE:  Link to Transcript

Dr. Loren Cordain and Nell Stephenson (the Paleoista, who co-authored a cookbook with Cordain) were on The Dr. Oz show today.  I taped it.  Cordain describes the diet of having all healthy aspects including:
  • high protein diet  (say what?)
  • lots of fruits and veggies that contain beneficial phytochemicals, vitamins and minerals
  • high in long chain omega 3 fatty acids
Nell takes over with the nos -- classifying these as inflammatory foods
  • dairy
  • grains
  • legumes
  • refined sugars
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Saturday, March 2, 2013

Calories (Again)

I don't know what it is about the CDS (Calorie Denial Syndrome) sufferers out there, but it seems that every couple of months or so we get a new wave of posts about calories from various corners of the Incestral Health Community.  For the most part, and as usual, these "complaints" are made against elaborately erected strawmen.  One must erect these to counter the obvious, you see.  But the CDS know better than the scientists and spin ever more convoluted explanations for why a calorie is not a calorie.  Of course it's not.  But newsflash!  Those who acknowledge the supremacy of calories in the overall picture recognize that nutritive intake is not solely for the purpose of energy production.  There.  Half your scarecrow strawmen now lie rotting in the field (or perhaps some David Duke inspired mental picture ... grin).
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Thursday, January 31, 2013

Angelo Coppola comments on LLVLC blog

If Jimmy Moore ran an open and honest ship over at his blog, I would leave a respectful (as I always did) comment there in support of the comments Angelo Coppola of Humans Are Not Broken blog (and Latest in Paleo podcast ).

I guess since he invoked his name in his 10 Critical Issues The Paleo Community Must Address* Jimmy allowed Coppola to respond in what the astute observer would recognize as a rather critical manner.  

In his first response, Angelo corrected Jimmy that his blog has nothing to do with broken metabolisms and such, but then bravely went on to suggest some other things the community really needs to do.  I copy the relevant excerpts here because some of these have been discussed by yours truly numerous times, however flawed the delivery may appear to some in the audience.  I'll bullet point it for ease on the eyes:
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Wednesday, January 9, 2013

Before JimKKins became JimKKKins

Some say it doesn't matter.  I think that a group of Low Carbers -- near as I can tell, most are not even former LC'ers but currently following the lifestyle -- has resurfaced and weighed in on the Jimmy Moore David Duke controversy is a testament that it does.  

This should keep people busy for a while.


Some think Jimmy's crusade against Kimmer was restitution for his part in her scam in a quest for redemption.  It was not.   Jimmy was knee deep in that whole scam.  What Kimkins boils down to is this:
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Friday, August 5, 2011

The Dietary Strategy of Separating Carbs & Fats

The recent post on the Harcombe Diet reminded me of some things that I've posted here regarding the separating carbs and fats in one's diet.  Almost a year ago now, I wrote this post:  Separating Fats & Carbs

In that post I laid out my rationale for this dietary strategy to prevent obesity.  It is also a strategy I generally employ to this day for maintaining my losses thus far.  Personally, I doubt this is a viable ad libitum strategy for weight loss that I'll discuss later.  
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Thursday, August 4, 2011

Zoe Harcombe ~ Credentials?

We've discussed this lady before here at the Asylum, but I was recently made aware of some additional information about her that folks might find interesting in assessing the information she promulgates or to counter those who tout her work in LC circles.  

Let's review.

Zoe Harcombe is the author of a few diet books who hopes to take the world by storm and fix the obesity epidemic in the UK.  She has a story to tell about weight loss after a history of eating disorders in college and 15 years of maintenance.  But as commendable as conquering ED's is, there's no indication this woman ever had significant excess weight she had to lose.   
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Saturday, May 29, 2010

Spontaneous Caloric Reduction with LC Diet

This study is cited in the Westman, et.al.'s LC Nutrition & Metabolism

Effect of a Low-Carbohydrate Diet on Appetite, Blood Glucose Levels, and Insulin Resistance in Obese Patients with Type 2 Diabetes

(The full text is not supposed to be free, but through this link I was able to access it as a "patient", if it doesn't work for you, ask in the comments and I'll be glad to email you the PDF I saved)

Although this is a relatively short and small study, it demonstrates what many in the LC community are strangely averse to acknowledging -- that LC leads to a spontaneous caloric restriction in most low carbers.  These folks restricted their caloric intake by an average of just over 1000 cal/day (median around 750).  Here are the dietary differences:


Before:  Carb intake ranged from 182g/day to a whopping 552g/day and averaged just over 300g/day.  
After:  Carb intake ranged in a ketogenic range of 14-32g and averaged 21g/day -- VLC
The difference, an average of around 280 g carb/day corresponds to 1120 calories.  

What I found really interesting is the corresponding fat and protein intakes.  I expected protein intake to increase dramatically, but average intake increased only 14g/day (looking at the difference column, these were the differences for each patient then averaged, so there were presumably participants that decreased their protein significantly (one by a fairly sizable 64g).  Perhaps this was the person who was consuming that whopping 552g carbs at onset?  In any case, as stated by Westman, et.al. in their LC Nutrition & Metabolism review,

Whereas instruction in an LCD does not mention calories, the restriction of dietary carbohydrate leads to a reduction in caloric intake from baseline. The ad libitum intake can vary from person to person, but, in many cases, the protein and fat intakes, in absolute terms, are not much higher than those of a typical American diet, because thetotal caloric intake is lower. As such, the LCD is not necessarily a high-protein diet or a high-fat diet. 
This was born out by this study.  On average, the participants did not replace carbs with fat or protein to any great extent.  So percentage-wise their diets were higher in protein and fat, but absolute consumption-wise, they were not raised significantly in either macronutrient.

Usual Diet:  fat+protein accounted for 1934 cal, 28% protein/72% fat
LC Diet:  fat+protein accounted for 2080 cal (only 150 cal combined increase), 29% protein/71% fat

Also, even in the short term, this study did NOT demonstrate any so-called metabolic advantage.

Before The New Atkins

Westman, Volek and Phinney were among the contributers (and Westman headlined) the following, partially Atkins Foundation funded, review:

Low-carbohydrate Nutrition and Metabolism

I can't recommend reading this highly enough.

I've listed the references in a separate post, numbered (the formatting farkled the last few but I'll let you count ;) )

For a non-gimmicky discussion of how low carb diets REALLY work for weight loss, this is where it's at!

Tuesday, March 16, 2010

The New Atkins ~ Ketosis & The "Atkins Edge"

One of my "bad" issues with TNA is the whole issue of some magic carbohydrate level for weight loss. 

I had a big problem with this point which led me to go off Atkins "big time" the prior two times I tried it (for extended periods and with much success at the time, I might add).

I'm a firm believer that for a goodly portion of adults, it is dieting and a diet mentality that has contributed to becoming overweight/obese.  If you're not following all the rules, then why bother ... right?  Or you've been good so what's one restaurant or take-out meal going to do -- forget that many of those meals, especially if you add a cocktail, can tally up to 3000 cals in one pop!

At least with CRD's, if you eat maintenance level calories one day, you just put off one or two sevenths of a lb weight loss for a day or so.   Of course plenty of folks on CRD's will continue to eat the entire pkg of cookies or whatever the forbidden goodie is, but the successful ones aren't always purists -- rather they accept the occasional indulgence and move on.

With LC plans, somehow 10g extra carbs is going to set you back days, weeks even?  It sounds so cool, almost, that we have some magical CCL for losing and an ACE for maintining.  All I have to do is find that number, stay at or under it, and voila!  But woe is me if I have a bite of mashed potatoes and exceed it.  

C'mon.  Does that REALLY make any sense?  It defies all earthly laws to gain a pound of body mass without consuming at least a pound of food -- and that would have to be a pound in excess of basic needs.  So any temporary setback on an LC diet is likely mostly water.  Now folks with water balance issues, and especially the rather overweight, can fluctuate by as many as 10 or more lbs just from water.  In my experience, I fluctuate ±3lbs about what I consider to be my true weight ... sometimes even when VLC'ing.  If I've gone from totally glycogen depleted to filling the stores, I can easily gain 5 lbs overnight (as I did on a recent vacation), but since that water weight is w/in my muscle cells distributed about my body, my clothing fits just about the same.  Bottom line, I don't sweat these pounds.  It may take some people longer to reverse the water weight pendulum, but they haven't gained energy-storage weight (outside the glycogen).

So anyway, in the original Atkins, Dr. A was clearly referring to a threshold to stay in ketosis with his CCL for weight loss.  On pg. 94 (paperback version, Sept. 1973 printing, ©1972 Bantam), The Diet Revolution Calorie Theory is stated:  Calories in equals calories used plus calories excreted unused.

Now Westman et.al. know full well that excess ketones don't add up to a whole lot of wasted calories.  These three are among the authors of a Review article entitled Low Carbohydrate Nutrition and Metabolism ... rather ironically funded by the Atkins Center but not referenced in TNA.  (Whassup wid dat??)
Two longer-term studies, in persons without diabetes, that measured fasting blood -hydroxybutyrate concentrations over 10 wk found that, whereas the concentrations increased over the first 2–4 wk, they then decreased and, after 10–12 wk, remained only slightly higher than those of dieters following other diets (21, 23).
In the article, they basically identify ~50g as the carb threshold for an LCKD.  In the book they refer to ketogenic diets several times (for treatment of epilepsy mostly and diabetes in one instance).  And yet mysteriously missing is any mention in determining CCL (only seeing if you lose weight).  I find this quite odd.

In the article the "low carb metabolism" is described for LCKD:  70% fatty acids (dietary and lipolysis of adipose tissue), 20% ketones ( dietary fat & protein and lipolysis and ketogenesis of adipose tissue), 10% glucose (gluconeogenesis, glycogenolysis).  If this isn't the "Atkins Edge", then they acknowledge that above 50g there's no significant switch to this alternate metabolism. 

As early as 1980, LaRosa found that subjects following an LCD do not necessarily replace the carbohydrate with either protein or fat, but that they, rather, reduce starch and sugar intake (9). Under such conditions, even though the absolute amounts of fat and protein do not increase, the percentage of fat and protein will increase. Recent research reviewed below has determined that the reduction in calorie intake is a result of appetite and hunger reduction. In this way, LCDs are also low-calorie diets that include an increase in the percentage of calories from fat and protein but not necessarily an increase in absolute amounts of fat and protein.

It seems to me that a more honest presentation and justification for CCL and ACE would be the above.  There does appear to be a spontaneous decrease in caloric intake associated with minimizing carbs.  I think that at least in part is due to the number of calorie dense carby/fatty foods (all those pastries, pizza, french fries and the like) one has to limit.  But given that adaptation to ketosis on LC is well-known (and Atkins isn't even close to the ketogenic diet used to treat epilepsy!), their description of the "Atkins Edge" seems disingenuous at best.  

These authors ignore their own (Atkins funded) writings to re-invent the same old wheel.  I would have loved for them to acknowledge that -- gasp!! -- Atkins was right on the health and weight loss aspects of his diet, but wrong on the calorie theory.

I don't see what's NOT exciting about spontaneously reducing intake without going hungry and possibly with a whole lot less discipline (it can be far easier to count carbs once you get the hang of it).  Wish they had done this.  It would have been a far more fitting tribute to Dr. Atkins.

Sunday, March 14, 2010

The New Atkins & Sugar Alcohols

One of my big issues with TNA is the concept of subtracting sugar alcohols from Net Carbs.

IMO, the most fraudulent practice in the LC field is the total subtraction of SA's in the calculation of net carbs.  There are 1.5-2.5 cal/g for most of them (except erythritol which is 0.2 cal/g) and these calories are from carbs!

Here's what TNA says on the subject:

"When it comes to low-carb foods, you subtract grams of sugar alcohols (including glycerin), as well as of fiber, from total grams of carbs to get the Net Carb count."
"Many low-carb products are sweetened with such ingredients as glycerin, mannitol, sorbitol, xylitol, erythritol, isomalt, lactitos and maltitol. ... Because sugar alcohols are not fully absorbed by the gut, they provide roughly half the calories that sugar does, although each one varies slightly. The incomplete and slower absorption results in a minimal impact on blood sugar and insulin response. This means that sugar alcohols don't significantly interfere with fat burning, making them acceptable on Atkins. ... Most people find that they can handle 20 to 30 grams a day without undesirable effects."
I imagine this was quite a point of contention between the powers that be at Atkins Nutritionals and these three respected researchers. There's much to be read between the lines of how it is written.

The veteran low-carber is probably aware that the "missing carbohydrate" on Atkins labels for some of their products is attributed to glycerin (aka glycerine, aka glycerol!).   Apparently AtNu tried, unsuccesfully, to get glycerin classed as a fiber, when, in fact, it is clearly a sugar alcohol and WP&V make a point of identifying it as such.  I may be reading too much into this, but I get the feeling this was a face-saver for these three.  In exchange for going along with subtracting sugar alcohols, they got to inform the consumers of Atkins products and "out" glycerin is a sugar alcohol in hopes the LC community would pick up on this?  That's just my feeling on the whole issue. 

In any case, they acknowledge the caloric content of SA's but not the carb content. If slowed release of carbohydrate doesn't "interfere with fat burning", then what's the point of counting carbs at all so long as they are ingested in very small quantities?   Glycerol is absorbed and metabolized ... and turned into ... drumroll please ... glucose!! These grams are not even accounted for on Atkins' labels (or they weren't last time I looked -- I don't eat these, ever).  We're often talking about 20 or more grams of sugar alcohols in a serving of "product".  Subtracting these completely can result in a 10g or more "error" in your carbs.  That's significant, and if it's not, what's the whole hub bub about counting carbs anyway? 

The authors seem obsessed with the carbs in lemon juice.  So much so that Rung 7 for adding more includes 2T more lemon juice.  I do best on LC lately when I drink cayenne lemonade all day long.   If I have a cup of lemon juice per day (6g sugars, ~20g total carb) or 20g sugar alcohols, which do you think is going to impact weight loss in the right direction??  It's for this reason I harp on this seemingly minor aspect of the book.  They can't have it both ways.  One of the things they advocate to counter stalls is to go back to counting carbs -- Net Carbs of course.  They don't address laying off the sugar alcohols for stalls.  But too much protein, that's the staller!

In such a self-proclaimed "grounded in science" book, they fail to even mention the difference between erythritol and the other sugar alcohols.  Again, perhaps because AtNu doesn't use it much in their products?

In the end, I would like to see a more forthright discussion of the carbohydrate content of sugar alcohols.  If we can't expect that from these trusted scientists, who can we turn to?

Saturday, March 13, 2010

The New Atkins ~ My Review

This post is a general review of: The New Atkins for a New You by Drs. Westman, Phinney, and Volek.

I probably haven't posted enough here to expose my sometimes cynical side of low carb eating, but if there are any visitors from the LC-www who recognize me, you've probably have seen this side of me.  I didn't expect to learn anything groundbreakingly new in this book but was curious to see what was updated and how it was presented by these respected researchers.  Overall, I was pleasantly surprised.

Overall Rating:   ☼ ☼ ☼ ☼ ☼

The Good: 

  • Reads well
  • Well organized
  • Success stories are separated (so folks like me can skip over them ), and appear to avoid the sensational (based on my skimming of a few).
  • Referenced throughout
  • Encouraging
  • Lays out the plan clearly
  • Focuses on long term way of life over a "diet"
  • Acknowledges that for Maintenance there are two paths -- one of which being maintaining a significantly restricted carb intake for life. 
  • Less obsession over the measly carbs in LC veggies.
  • Addresses that high fat doesn't mean eat all the fat you can:  see Savor, Don't Smother
  • Establishes protein guidelines by height/gender and lifestyle rather than as a fixed percentage of intake.The science section is comforting and a good resource for low carbers to discuss with their doctors.  It doesn't overreach for the most part.
  • Acknowledges calories more than just in passing and avoids some of the more controversial claims (burn more calories on LC, inability to gain weight) prevalent in the LC community.

The Bad: 


  • "The Atkins Edge":  I guess they had to do it, but this time they speak of this fat-burning "edge" in round-about and nebulous ways.  Whereas Atkins identified the CCL as being in ketosis or not, there is no mention of ketones in the actual dietary plan and determination of the CCL.

  • Fat Burning Theory:  WP&V know that they can't justify the overly simplified insulin theory in its most rabid form.  Presumably along with the CCL and general structure of the diet, the authors were tasked with re-inventing the fat storage/insulin theory in a way so as to make it more palatable to the mainstream.  On this they succeed, but the underlying theory, while sounding more credible and far less sensational, doesn't hold water.  We all burn glucose and fats for energy at all times in different proportions.  Burning more fat when dietary fat is the majority source is a big Katie Couric "duh", and carbs do not shut down fat oxidation completely.  I'll expand on this in another post.

  • Sugar Alcohols: A HUGE thumbs down on this topic. IMO, the most fraudulent practice in the LC field is the total subtraction of SA's in the calculation of net carbs and WP&V advocate this.  I imagine this was quite a point of contention between the powers that be at Atkins Nutritionals and these three respected researchers, and in the end, I can't help but feel they sold out on this point.  I'll expand on this in another post. 

  • Over-reaching with some of the claims.  I have been making my way through the citations and have found several instances where the citation does not back up the statement made in the book.  Also, when an author says "many" or "several" and refers to studieS in the plural, such statements should be followed by more than one reference.  More than once, such statements in the book are followed by a single reference.  I'll address these in future posts.  UPDATE:  In re-checking, I now see that sometimes they use one footnote number to cite a few references.  In the first case of this that caught my eye, I now see 3 articles cited with one footnote.  However I still have reservations regarding this sampling of studies.
  • Their almost unnatural obsession over the carbs in lemon juice.  So much so, that lemon juice is mentioned in Rung 7 (tomato & veggie juice).  They repeatedly obsess over the 2.5 net carbs in 2T of lemon juice.  I'm not sure what the other carbs are in lemon juice, but nutritiondata.com lists 1c. (16T) of lemon juice as having 6g sugar.  I've never known anyone to sabotage their weight loss with lemon juice.  This strange obsession would be understandable if they were even remotely as diligent counting the carbs of sugar alcohols, but xylitol is a recommended sweetener.  Granted they count packets as 1g/pkt but there are more grams of carbs in xylitol.

  • I find the advice on stalls to be sorely lacking.

  • Vegetarian Atkins:  IMO, they should have just left this to the so-called "eco-Atkins" folks and let AtNu fight with them over the brand name.  It is simply impossible to include veggie proteins into this plan and stay within carb limits.  So an ovo lacto vegetarian can do the "real" Atkins by eating a lot of eggs and cheese, and Atkins just isn't for the rest.
The Ambivalent:


  •  I really do like the long term focus of the book, but I find the Pre-Maintenance phase almost laughable in its length and detail.  Really, I've not seen where many LC'ers have had to worry about losing too much weight.  Way more are like me and find themselves plateauing out way above a normal goal weight.

  • Protein Confusion:  As mentioned above, I like that their protein recs are based on a gram amount for height and gender.  Still, the ranges are fairly wide so in a way, this rec is not all that helpful.  They also seem defensive that the diet is not "high protein".  But rather than obsessing over this, they should "do the math" and realize that, especially for many of us women, "high protein" it is indeed!  Their recs also are confusing.  Feeling satisfied?  No -- eat more protein (and fat).  Stalled? -- Maybe you're eating too much protein (and fat). 

  • Calorie Confusion:  There are several places in the book where I detect a careful dance on the part of the authors as they try to marry what they know is the truth with what Atkins has said in the past.  In this regard, I would have preferred a book written by these three independent of the Atkins brand.  They acknowledge calories quite often, but the message seems mixed.

  • As someone who only became truly obese after my first two failed attempts at LC, I think it is important to not just suggest that maintenance may mean staying VLC for life, but warn would be LC'ers of this aspect. The web is full of long term die hard low carbers. Seems to me, these folks have gotten more extreme (zero carb, intermittent fasting) as time goes by rather than moving up the rungs. A sort of "buyer beware" would be nice to see, but I put this commentary in the ambivalent section because I also acknowledge the reality of trying to sell a diet book. 

  • Some may find their take on fiber to go counter to their own beliefs.

  • Focus on repeat attempters:  Obviously any "New Atkins" must address the many returnees from prior stints on previous versions of the plan.  There's not a whole lot different planwise here.  Caffeine is now allowed on induction, veggies are pushed a bit more, and protein requirements are laid out on a gram basis.  But all too frequently the authors seem to address repeat attempters so were I reading this as my first exposure to Atkins I might be feeling like I'm missing something.

  • Atkins with a Latin Beat:  Clearly a book-selling ploy, but I see no reason to highight a particular cuisine.  Comes off cheesey to me.
So ... that's it for now.  I was pleasantly surprised by this book on the whole and will recommend it to anyone wishing to try, or re-try, an LC WOE.  Perhaps the 3-suns rating is a bit harsh, but I have enough issues with the book to deduct from the rating.  This is a fine step in the right direction towards legitimizing and/or mainstreaming low carbohydrate diets.  It could have been a bigger step had the researchers written this book independently.  Most of the ways it falls short seem to center around sticking with some of Atkins' theories just enough to "save face" and satisfy the brand name.  Had they not had to do that, I believe the book would have been stronger.  I also have problems with some of the research citations in the manner in which they are used.  These will be the subject of future posts.